Now What?

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The massacre at a Florida High School by nineteen year old Nikolas Cruz begs us yet again to address the growing horror of mass shootings in America. Children should never have to watch their fellow classmates be mowed down by a crazed gunman, nor should any parent ever lose a child this way.  It happens though and no, it’s not too early to talk about gun control and other possible methods of prevention.

While mass shootings are not occurring as often as the wildly misleading headline, “18 School Shootings in 2018” would have you believe, they have gotten more deadly, as the number of people shot per incident has increased.

In my view the question isn’t if anything should be done, but what? What new policies or laws could be enacted that would help prevent another tragedy like this?

Would New Gun Laws be Effective?

Many think more restrictions on guns are the answer, but are they? It’s way too early to tell in this case, but a 2015 analysis by the Washington Post’s Glenn Kessler of other high profile shootings offers some interesting insight.  Kessler did a detailed fact check of Marco Rubio’s claim that new gun laws wouldn’t have prevented any recent mass shootings and came to the conclusion that Rubio was right.

Starting with the Newtown tragedy in 2012 and ending with the Syed Farook and Tashfeen Malik San Bernardino terrorist attacks in 2015, Kessler lists how the guns were obtained for each incident and an analysis as to why stricter gun regulations would not have prevented this.

In each case the perpetrators either bought their guns legally, stole them from someone else who obtained them legally, or should have been stopped by existing laws but the system failed. Four out of twelve shootings by the way were committed in California, which has some of the strictest gun control laws in the nation.

Kessler’s article is not the end all be all study on gun control of course, but it offers up points that anyone serious about pro active prevention of mass shooters needs to digest.  It’s a good read and can be found here.

Gun Violence is Down

Keep in mind too that overall rates of gun crime and violence have gone down dramatically over the last two decades; while at the same time many states were reducing gun control regulations.

As Nick Gillespie states in this post on Reason.com

“In the wake of last fall’s Las Vegas shooting, I wrote “‘From 1993 to 2015, the rate of violent crime declined from 79.8 to 18.6 victimizations per 1,000 persons age 12 or older, says the Bureau of Justice Statistics in its most recent comprehensive report (published last October, using data through 2015).

 Over the same period, rates for crimes using guns dropped from 7.3 per 1,000 people to 1.1 per 1,000 people. The homicide rate is down from 7.4 to 4.9. These are not simply good things, they are great things. They are the essential backdrop of all discussions about gun crime and mass shootings, even as we grieve the people killed nonsensically in Vegas.

 None of that takes away an iota of the pain and terror of what is still unfolding in Florida, but the most basic argument for gun control remains that reducing the number of guns in circulation will reduce the amount of gun violence in society. Yet since the mid-1990s, states and localities (and certainly Florida) have mostly made it easier for more people to buy and carry guns in more sorts of situations. The correlation has been with vast reductions in gun crime and gun violence.”

Red Flags Ignored

The thing about mass shootings is that they tend to be premeditated, giving the shooter plenty of time to map out a plan and obtain needed supplies. Someone intent on murdering people is going to find ways to get those items, illegal or not.

Wouldn’t perhaps a better strategy at prevention be to improve how we respond to the numerous red flags that usually arise long before the crime occurs?

Apparently it was no surprise to anyone that knew Nikolas Cruz that he ended up a mass murderer. He even stated in a YouTube comments section, “I’m going to be a professional school shooter…” prompting the account holder to notify the FBI.

He’d also been expelled from school for numerous fights and possession of ammunition, had tried to poison a neighborhood dog and left a trail of disturbing social media posts. Could not some type of intervention have happened? Did anyone say anything to anyone of authority that might have been able to do something?

I don’t pretend to have all the answers, but I do know that focusing just on gun control to prevent mass shootings is simplistic and in fact may even be counter productive.  If the end game is to DO SOMETHING effective, than passing rushed and probably crappy legislation based on the understandably raw emotions of the moment is not going to get us there.

So yes, let’s talk about gun control, but let’s be honest about its limits and the negative trade off of sacrificing civil liberties  for public safety.

Stop Demonizing Others

And for God’s sake stop demonizing those who are skeptical about its effectiveness as “not caring about dead children.” That’s so needlessly divisive and just makes moving towards a successful solution less likely.

The problem of mass shootings is complex and requires more than just looking at gun control.  Mental health issues, effective red flag response methods, enforcing existing gun laws already on the books,  new ideas on school security and having better channels of support for parents dealing with extremely problematic kids all need to be a part of the discussion.

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152 Responses to Now What?

  1. Mike says:

    “So yes, let’s talk about gun control, but let’s be honest about its limits and the negative trade off of sacrificing civil liberties for public safety.”

    The very Freedom those who oppose the Second Amendment (Actually the Second Right in the Bill of Rights forever enshrined as the first 10 Amendments of the U.S. Constitution) was realized at the point of a gun. The current Freedom those same people enjoy is protected to this very day behind the business end of a gun. The Reason all those who sought Freedom and Liberty but failed to realize it is exactly because they did not trust the free citizens with guns.

    So let’s talk truth…
    The Number One killer of Children in the World, as well as the United States, is… the Wheel. It is the single deadliest invention man has ever devised. It accounts for more death of innocents than any other man-made evil ever imagined let alone foisted upon human existence. There is no debate.

    Thousands are killed every year in driving accidents.
    Thousands are killed by being struck in roadways and parking lots.
    Thousands are killed each year by Driving Drunk, or being hit by Drunk Drivers.
    Every young life lost to an air accident had to taxi down a runway…
    Every young soul lost to a bicycle accident…
    Every Roller Coaster…
    Every Skate Board…

    And don’t fail to remember,

    This Florida murderer arrived at the school via Uber.

    So why do we tolerate such a horrific device?
    Because there is a trade off.
    We are willing to accept the death and destruction of Human Life as a direct result of the Wheel exactly because it provides us the greatest exercise of Freedom Man has ever known which subsequently he won… at the point of a gun.

    Those who oppose your Freedom, but never theirs, intentionally fail to understand why the 2nd Amendment exists. However they never fail to recognize that a well armed populace is a barrier to implementing their control over others.

    If the Death of Innocents is really the concern… the solution is simple.

    Ban The Wheel.
    It’s never worth the life of a child… unless we all think it is.

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  2. Without question.. mental health needs more attention in this country than opiod abuse.

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  3. Tricia, well said. I’ll add another one to the mix here. It is the issue of evil itself. Jesus understood this as he said “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders.” Jesus is the solution for evil.

    So we need to tackle some potential safety issues particularly the information we don’t have in our background system, mental health, securing our schools better and the nature of evil itself.

    Be blessed.

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  4. Arkenaten says:

    LOl .. posted my comment on you smile post. Please don’t ban kids!
    But contrary to what Mike says, yes, banning firearms would be a step in the right direction.
    Let’s be honest, what are you lot so afraid of that you actually feel you need guns?

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  5. Rational as always my friend!
    No, we don’t need knee-jerk, but we do need to look at the big and entire picture and not just one component—because when this sort of madness occurs, which it inevitably does and will continue doing so–there is more than one component involved…
    Like I’ve said before, those intent on harming others will do so with or without a gun. Do we need to totally revamp our availability of guns, what types the general public may purchase as well as how they are obtained…a loud yes…but there needs to be much more besides just “fixing” our gun problems taking place—the issue of mental health and yes, this even bigger sacred cow issue—the notion of privacy.
    And I pray our lawmakers will not get caught up as they always do in bipartisan bickering and stonewalling and will for once in their lives, for the sake of our kids, actually act together to help stop the killing.

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    • Tricia says:

      Thank you Julie. I’m not a big fan of outright bans because they’ve not been shown to work and I believe they affect our civil liberties in much deeper ways than we suspect. I do agree completely with you that we need to re look at everything and with an unbiased eye. Unfortunately I don’t think that is possible in today’s world, lol.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        The ban worked in Australia.

        You are obliged to drive on the right hand side of the road. Does the law that stipulates this truly infringe on your civil liberties by not driving on the other side of the road?

        Legally, you can’t snort cocaine. Do you feel this also affects your civil liberties? After all you can smoke cigarettes and we know this is the number one cause of lung cancer.

        What can you possibly gain freedom-wise by being allowed to own goodness knows how many guns that you feel you are losing by not being allowed to snort a line or two of cocaine every evening after work, just to take the edge off?

        How is the latter not an infringement whereas a gun free society is considered to be?

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        • Tricia says:

          As I said to you earlier Ark, the stats out of Australia are mixed at best. Gun violence did go down but it did as well n America at time when we were relaxing gun laws. Suicide by guns in Australia went down too but overall suicide rates are up. Besides, we are not going to ban guns here, suggesting as such is a non starter.

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      • I fear you’re correct

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  6. madblog says:

    A subculture which has a materialist, behaviorist worldview believes in the mechanism of removing guns from society. Problem solved. But it is a simplistic option which doesn’t take into account many consequences, one of which is that it would require the imposition of a totalitarian control the like of which we cannot imagine here.

    This context also is helpful in avoiding having to deal with causes. One might ask why, even though there is not much new here, some items are. Why have children become mass shooters? What might have happened to our culture which would allow young people to become nihilistic and sociopathic? How do we justify some deaths (abortion, euthanasia, selective abortion) while we are horrified at school shootings? And what does that say about our culture? What are the commonalities among the shooters? This last question alone would reorient our discussion.

    Finally, I have to say that the outrage which is clearly virtue-signaling is making me ill. (All of the outrage is not v.s,-ing; to be honestly outraged is also possible.) If those who are posting on social media really believed the rhetoric they are spouting about NRA-Republican collusion in disregard of “our” children’s lives, they wouldn’t have sent their kids to school today.

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    • Tricia says:

      Very well said Madblog. Yes, the elephant question in the room is WHY do so many kids do this? It’s a heart matter for sure that involves many complexities as you state.

      The social media virtue signaling is just nauseating. It makes me sad too as the discourse and divisiveness have only gotten worse. Those that claim to be so highly evolved can’t see how much they themselves are contributing to this.

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  7. Citizen Tom says:

    There are plenty of ways to kill people that don’t involve a gun. What is the advantage of a gun? Imagine walking into an environment where no one is allowed to have a gun. Imagine you have the only guns. No one else has a weapon. The power is in your hands, and fear pervades all who see you.

    What does a crazed killer want? Power? Isn’t the guy on an ego trip? So it is that my guess is that armed guards or teachers would quickly put an end to school shootings.

    What is more serious? Guns are not new. We have had semiautomatic weapons in this country for well over a hundred years. Mass shootings, particularly in schools, are relatively new. That suggests some sort of moral issue. For some reason, which goes beyond just a population increase, we have more and more deadly homicidal maniacs than we use to have. Why?

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    • Mike says:

      I’m not sure we have more homicidal maniacs than we used to have, Tom. But I do think we have made an effort to create ‘safe spaces’ for them to act while following up with an complimentary advertising campaign, provided by our Media, conveying where those spaces are and how to maximize their use.
      My question is why don’t we remove those safe, gun free, spaces from the landscape? And, advertise it.
      Are we afraid of success? Are we afraid of a genuine solution?
      Just as the talking heads want to drill into our head… how many school shootings happen in… Israel?

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      • Tricia says:

        Good points Mike. Armed guards and/or teachers in school is a no brainer for me.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Why would you wish to take a lead from Israel, a country that has been embroiled in religo/political warfare since almost forever it seems.
        Why not take your lead from a country such as Norway?

        https://www.pri.org/stories/2016-06-16/what-can-us-learn-norways-gun-laws

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      • madblog says:

        Indeed what baffles me is parents’ willingness to send their children every weekday to a place in which they are sure to be defenseless, where everyone knows they’re defenseless, where there are actually SIGNS that advertise that here are large numbers of kids and no guns. If they buy into the media’s rhetoric, I can only conclude that they are content to play roulette.

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      • Citizen Tom says:

        There are times I wonder what is in the heads of the gun control crowd, but I think I know. People don’t worship government. They may worship some “great” leader, a myth, not who their “great” leader actually happens to be. Yet they never worship government. What they worship is the “system”, the idea of government, the belief that with just the right “system” of government everything will be perfect.

        To those who worship the “system”, the idea of individual rights creates chaos. It means people out of the control of the “system”. That’s why we see such weird dichotomies. The “system” freaks believe in population control. They think sin is inevitable, unstoppable. They think the poor are such a useless burden they may as well be eliminated before they are born. So they praise the rite of abortion, but they think it crazy to allow average citizens to own guns. So the second amendment they damn, and abortion they fiercely protect.

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        • Tricia says:

          Tom, that’s brilliant.

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        • Mike says:

          “They think sin is inevitable, unstoppable.”

          On the contrary… they believe man can be perfected, This is exactly why they long for control. They see themselves as the perfectors of man.

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        • Arkenaten says:

          @Tom
          I think you have lost your way somewhat and forgotten exactly what school is for.
          I grew up in the UK where such violence was unheard of.
          In fact had such an act even been suggested most people would have thought you had gone nuts.

          And as it turns out this does seem to be the case in point.

          Your continued blatant hand-waving of this issue is irresponsible and dangerous and your fanatic belief in some skewed version of ”freedom” that you continue to bleat on about is basically signing the death warrant on the next bunch of schoolkids who are already shuffling into place to be slaughtered.

          The second amendment is just that . A damn AMENDMENT. Why can’t you get it through your thick skull that it can be changed.
          This is where the word derives from, to AMEND.

          So vote to AMEND the damn thing and start to make a positive change towards stopping lunatics owning firearms.
          Otherwise it might just as well be you Tom who holds the door while the next maniac waltzes onto a school playground and opens fire with a semi automatic weapon.

          Remember, it is said that God helps those who help themselves.

          Think on that the next time you are saying a prayer.

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          • ColorStorm says:

            hey ark-

            Do you actually read and think before you post?

            Would you be less grieved if the monster knifed to death a hundred kids over the span of a few months. or does it make matters worse if a killer spreads the wealth in one day?

            Key word, killer. The kid in FL was long deranged before he pulled the trigger. Mental health and all that; the signs were ignored, the FBI admitted as much. The fact that this killing spree could have been avoided escapes you.

            A gun, any gun, is completely innocent. But maybe you need to crusade against paper clips; they are dangerous. You should see all the ‘dangerous’ tools I have in my garage; man o man, could I do damage with power saws. Wake up.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Yep, he was long-deranged. agree. As are all of those who open fire in mass shootings. Unless you are suggesting this is just run-of-the-mill normal behaviour for the average gun owner?

            And this is why I made a point of writing amend. See that amend.
            Look up the word.

            That is why it is called an amendment. It is there to amend. To be amended where necessary.

            Obviously, you are one of those who believes there is nothing to AMEND.
            Perhaps while Tom holds the door for the next gunman you can point him in the right direction?

            Tell me, do you actually ever think before you do anything at all ?

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          • ColorStorm says:

            Hey ark-
            The next time someone breaks into your home, threatens to kill your wife and children, you will wish you had a gun to protect THEM; o wait, you are too busy making the killer a sandwich to make yourself feel better…

            THAT is the liberal mindset that needs amended. Case closed.

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          • Tricia says:

            In a to go bag no less CS so they can take the sandwich with them as they flea the scene! Lol.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            What do you mean the next time? It has never happened once.
            And unless I had a firearm on me and was in a position to act directly and if there were only one or maybe two assailants and if I was not sleeping at the time of the break in and if it was light enough and I was able to get a clean shot and if in the ensuing panic I was fortunate not to hit one of my own family.

            And the next time a group of assailants breaks into YOUR home and threatens your wife and kids and you manage to smoke them all and are hailed as the big hero of the moment I’ll sign up and buy you a beer.
            Until then, John Wayne …

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          • ColorStorm says:

            I live in the real world ark. A world where everyone does not have pure motives. A world infected by sin.

            If you can not comprehend that a gun is no more evil than a doughnut, I can’t help you.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            You are suffering some sort of Rambo complex, CS.
            More people die because of firearm accident in the home and you want to introduce more firearms?
            Do have a death wish or something?
            Do you get aroused watching Die Hard or similar gung ho films?
            There are places in the world that run quite well without guns, believe it or not. Yes I realise that will come as a shock, but it really is true.
            And Australia has proved this.

            So what makes you so special you think every criminal is going to be hell bent on murdering you?

            You do not live in the real world CS, you live in a violent cameo of a world of your own making.

            As I said before. The kiddies are already shuffling into place awaiting the next slaughter.

            You obviously think the risk is acceptable so if you have not the intelligence, let alone the guts to even consider an amendment to your already insane gun laws then take a bow and let the next massacre be on you.
            What will, you say when I write I Told You So!
            On your own head be it.

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          • ColorStorm says:

            I’ll defer to trish’s observation @ ‘pointless.’

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          • Tricia says:

            It pointless to even try CS as you well know. 😉

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          • Wally Fry says:

            Somebody should suggest to this moron that maybe he should worry about gun violence in his own country. Or may be the exploitation of imperialism. Or maltreatment of minorities. Just saying.

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          • Tricia says:

            That’s a rather good point Wally…

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          • Tricia says:

            “The second amendment is just that . A damn AMENDMENT. ” It is not just that Ark and your lack of comprehension of it is starkly revealed in the absurdity of your comments. Stop embarrassing yourself.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Oh, so you cannot amend an amendment?
            Is this what you are telling me?

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          • Arkenaten says:

            So you CAN amend an amendment?

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          • Very good reply, sir. Part of the idea that “amendments” have some spiritual application akin to the Ten Commandments.. and written by our Founding Fathers and passed down as if Moses himself delivered them, is an oft misguided perception of those who share the conservative bent over here. I contend our Constitution is designed by our Founding Fathers to be a dynamic document, changeable and adaptable to the times. Conservatives don’t agree.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Well, I must say i am somewhat flabbergasted , but pleasantly surprised , to actually find anyone agreeing with me on a blog such as this.
            I thank you, and applaud.
            It is a sad reality which one soon discovers that common sense is an altogether uncommon coin.

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          • Glad you are happy. But remember I replied to your amendment comment only to Tom. I see a few of your other replies might solicit some local controversy. 🙂

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          • Arkenaten says:

            No problem, I understand perfectly.

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          • Tricia says:

            That’s true Doug, at least for me as I don’t view the Constitution as a dynamic document and making changes should not come easily. Most Conservatives I know think that the right to own a gun is every bit as important as the freedom of speech and religion. It’s a co-equal liberty in the Bill of Rights, based not just on the Founders thinking but in natural law.

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          • Well, to be clear.. I in no way am suggested that because I feel the Constitution is dynamic and can be changed, that making such changes should be easy one bit, The process is complicated enough and cannot be dominated by any single party or agenda.. which the Second Amendment protectors fail to realize.

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          • Tricia says:

            That’s why we hold elections Doug so the citizens can put people who best represent their beliefs in to office. Right now Republicans outnumber Democrats by a small margin so I wouldn’t say the process would be dominated by them, nor would all Republicans be against changing the 2nd amendment. Regardless Congress will not enact drastic gun control legislation because they know the majority of voters in the country would crucify them for it and rightly so.

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          • Oh.. another BTW addendum to my reply (or would that be an amendment? 🙂 I am not a Second Amendment protector… I protect the Bill of Rights, and the last time I checked the Second is in that bunch.

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          • Tricia says:

            Too many amendments going on…;)

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          • Citizen Tom says:

            According to this news report, => http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/02/gun-control-in-europe-is-almost-total-it-hasnt-stopped-mass-shooting-attacks-like-las-vegas.html, mass shootings also happen in Europe.

            Here is a post that reflects my attitude towards what Liberal Democrats gun control => http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2017/10/02/gun-control-in-europe-is-almost-total-it-hasnt-stopped-mass-shooting-attacks-like-las-vegas.html.

            I am not a gun nut, but I know how to use one. When I was young, I had excellent eye sight, and I could hit what I was aiming at. That’s what I call gun control.

            What do I think schools are for? Well, I don’t think think schools exist so some self-selected elite can impose their beliefs and their Utopian visions on other people. In fact, I think the scourge of school shooting is the result of too much government control, not too little.

            It is not enough to teach children reading, writing, and arithmetic. We must also teach them wisdom. Whose wisdom. Well, what government officials call wisdom just demonstrates that government does not have the capacity to transmit wisdom to children. That is why the Bible assigns responsibility for theinstruction of children in wisdom to parents and communities. Because knowledge without wisdom is dangerous, children need to be taught wisdom when they learn reading, writing, and arithmetic.

            Am I an expert on mental illness? No, but I think it safe to say at least this much. We all can be taught something about the difference between right and wrong, the basics of wisdom. We all can at least grasp that it is evil to take a firearm and start randomly shooting people. Even a soul tormented by mental illness can learn at least that much about the difference between right and wrong. Yet if no one makes the effort to teach child at least that much — if no one cares about about a child at least that much — that child may never learn. Caring about children is not something government does well.

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    • Tricia says:

      So true Tom, it’s definitely a moral issue. The power these psychopaths feel must be overwhelming, like a narcotic The kid apparently has been begging to be noticed his entire life (shooting small animals, being a neighborhood menace, stalking kids at school, etc…). Well he finally got noticed for all the wrong reasons.

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  8. Wally Fry says:

    Well balanced and thoughtful as always Tricia. You are gonna get in BIG trouble, though

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  9. ColorStorm says:

    Consider this trish.

    If the same kid hijacked a Greyhound bus and drove it over a cliff killing a hundred, there would not have been 1/10 the outcry if he had only killed 3 with a gun.

    Can’t stand the media. Where I come from, it’s against the law to kill people………… Hello???

    But I say we should ban Philips head screwdrivers. Too dangerous. Too pointy. Could kill someone at the checkout line. But the young punk had issues no doubt, and no one cared to see. He just doesn’t wake up one day and decides to go south. You want blame? Give it to the media who creates the wood burning and makes good people victims of propaganda.

    But you are right to point out that the signs were there with this kid. Apparently its too late to take his threats seriously. But the gun in your safe couldn’t hurt a fly. It’s as innocent as a bluebird.

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    • Tricia says:

      So true what you say ColorStorm, there is so much more to mass shootings outside of the actual gun involved. Addressing all of that would be complicated and probably still not provide answers though, so people reach for what they think they can control, i.e., guns and the deplorable that use them. The media should be ashamed of themselves as to how they’ve pitted citizens against each other on issues like this. They never will be though.

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      • ColorStorm says:

        Yes, and what you never hear are the countless homeowners who have protected their loved ones against home invasions, or people who wanted to harm them, by using wait for it: not plastic straws, but a simple warning shot.

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  10. Dennis says:

    Interesting post and timely as well Tricia.
    Here are some of my thoughts. Some you and others may agree with and some you may not.

    The gun does not kill anyone. The person “behind” the gun kills.

    The state of Florida the school and the supposed armed guards at the school should be held with a portion of liability in this shooting. By not allowing teachers and administrators the permission to carry a weapon in the school after extensive training is advertising targets of opportunity. By the way, where were the armed guards anyway? I saw a report that there were two at the school that day but never a report on their actions or non actions. Maybe it will come out later.

    I own several guns including a AR-15. I have tried to carry it in a concealed manner and without wearing a long coat it is near impossible to hide the thing. Someone should have seen the actor walking to the door or just inside.Did the Uber driver not notice anything? A lot of questions with no answers right now.

    We have a school here in N. TX that almost half of the teachers and others staff members completed a long and very tedious hand gun course as well as how to react in case of an armed intruder. They even advertise the fact with signs on the school grounds. The students are very proud and endorse the program. They feel a lot safer in school then ever before. Imagine that!

    When seconds count the police are minutes away is a good reason for self protection.

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    • Tricia says:

      You bring up some very good points Dennis, especially in regards to how did this kid go unnoticed carrying an AR-15 rifle? Was he noticed and no one bothered to call the cops? That should really be explored further along with if there were armed guards on campus and what were they doing.

      I am on the side of arming teachers but only ones that want to be and if they are thoroughly trained as it seems like they are in TX.

      I think we should really look outside of the box for solutions, everything should be not he table for discussion.

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  11. David says:

    It is all orchestrated! It is all done in Plato’s Cave. Someone else is controlling your minds. This is all part of the Orwellian World we live in!

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  12. Al says:

    There are many excellent comments here and I wouldn’t deign to have any better solutions to add to this. As for having armed guards or arming school teachers I am in favor of that. It would give a gunman a second thought about going in to a school knowing he/she would might very well the be first and only casualty. But it would not prevent some kid from picking off students like a sniper as schools let out. That has already happened.

    As for banning weapons, it would be just like prohibition. A black market would crop up and criminals would have even easier access to weapons that others could not get. Not to mention many, many more “target rich environments” to go along with it. And does anyone really want government agencies to be the only ones with guns and/or wantonly searching your homes to prevent you from having one? Think about it.

    Mike is right. It’s just a dangerous world. Getting into a vehicle, private or public, each day is the ultimate risk-taking. I came into this world at the same time Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and Tojo were snuffing out lives by the thousands per day. I don’t see that much has changed, other than the players, in the world today. Whether it’s an individual content to take innocent lives or a megalomaniac who takes lives by the millions, there will always be people willing to do whatever it takes to accomplish this. I am truly sorry it is this way.

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  13. Tricia says:

    I love the intelligence of my readers and often learn much from their comments, including yours of course Al. I agree that banning would not be effective. I’d like to understand from those that propose this just how they would go about getting the existing guns out of the 300 million or so law abiding citizens that have them. And truly, does anyone really think letting only the police and military have weapons a good idea? I guess those wealthy enough to hire private protection might, but the rest of us would be living under tyranny.

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  14. Arkenaten says:

    As for having armed guards or arming school teachers I am in favor of that.

    And exactly how do you think this will give a gunman with a semi-automatic weapon pause for thought?
    His intent is to inflict maximum casualties in minimum a time frame so he will likely be spraying bullets all over the show.
    Meanwhile there is every chance that your easily identifiable security guard is more than likely going to be the first person to get shot.
    And how long do you think it will be before the first story of a pupil disarming a teacher and shooting people hits the headlines?
    You seriously want kids to go to school under a siege mentality?
    Can you honestly imagine every single school across the country operating under these conditions?
    I don’t beleive the NRA could handle the excitement.

    What next? Bullet proof vests for tots during recess?

    Good grief, you people think you are all friggin’ Rambo! Get real!

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  15. Arkenaten says:

    It pointless to even try CS as you well know.

    Gods forbid it happens to one of your kids, because sure as eggs are eggs it is going to happen to someone’s and all the prayers now and after will have zero effect.

    If you do not even have the inclination to try to solve this problem by commonsense practical means then I am sorry you shall reap what you sow.

    Don’t say you haven’t been warned enough times already, Tricia.

    I hope you will have something a little more meaningful to share with the parents of the next batch of kids who get slaughtered.

    If kit happens to you or someone you know then I will state right now, you will have my sympathy, but also my utmost contempt.

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    • Tricia says:

      Your problem Ark is your assumption that people who don’t want to ban guns don’t care about preventing more mass shootings. This willful blindness prohibits you from communicating effectively and frankly why I don’t normally engage much with you. It is quite pointless.

      Moving on now….

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      • Arkenaten says:

        If you are interested in preventative measure then why wre they not instituted after Sandy Hook?
        How many mass shootings have you had since and still you procrastinate and waffle and hand wave!.. and laughably … pray to your god for guidance! How’s that out working for y’all?

        As I remarked earlier … don’t complain the next time it happens … and it is going to happen it is just a question of when … and don’t say you weren’t warned.

        Willful ignorance of the type you and others are wantonly displaying here should be regarded as criminal negligence.

        Have an interesting time in the interim.
        The clock is ticking …

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        • Tricia says:

          Ark you either have no reading comprehension skills, are dumb as a doorknob or are purposely closing your mind to the points raised in my post and in the comments about the non effectiveness of gun bans. I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt here in assuming it’s the third reason. Perhaps I was mistaken.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Gun ban? Well then, how about amending the laws so those individuals who are obviously mentally unbalanced cannot obtain a semi-automatic weapon – at least not through legal channels?
            Are you against more stringent background checks for example?

            However, I will remind you that Australia enacted a gun ban and there have as far as I am aware, been no mass shootings since.
            Coincidence? You tell me.

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          • Tricia says:

            We have background check laws and what’s happened in numerous is they have failed! So yes I’m fine with background checks, even more stringent ones but we have to start properly enforce ones we already have in place. This would not have prevented this most recent shooter by the way. The FBI completely dropped the ball on following up on numerous leads about this kid.

            This is all been addressed numerous times. I guess it’s reason 1 or 2 than as to your obtuseness. My bad for giving you the benefit of the doubt.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            So, since Sandy Hook when that bunch of kids were slaughtered, what’s been done – officially – to prevent this happening again.

            1.What background checks are in place as we speak to prevent unsuitable people from purchasing a firearm?

            2. Why is the purchase of assault rifles and the gizmo to make semi automatic rifles fully automatic not illegal?

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          • Tricia says:

            1. Do some simple research.

            2. You’re referencing what’s called a bump stock which was used in ONE high profile mass shooting, the one in Las Vegas. I have no problem with outlawing these but it’s not going to have much of an effect.

            You have to understand Ark that there is no simple solution to this. Semi automatic weapons have been available in this country for 50 years, yet school shootings have only recently erupted. Looking at what changes have taken place in society in the last few decades would be a good start. Many people are trying to do this mind you, but those claiming to want to have a “conversation on gun control” keep shouting people who actually initiate one down. Go figure.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            I asked you a question and you say I must do research? This suggests that there are no or practically no proper background checks.

            When you consider the other tragedies involving firearms and the number of firearm related deaths, homicides and suicides etc … it seems that what laws are in place at the moment are practically useless.

            So banning the sale of semi automatic weapons and the sale of bump stocks? would seem that you are at least willing to make an effort, yes?

            Have a 30-60 day waiting period.
            Seriously, for ”self protection” how desperate does one have to be?

            The ultimate goal would be to have a gun free society and while this is likely a pipe dream

            the minute you are prepared to something …. anything to limit the number of firearms in circulation you are already addressing the issue. Maybe one day the US will develop an entirely different mindset.

            Finally, irrespective of the semantics, Australia banned firearms and though it was apparently no easy thing to do, by and large they accepted it and – as far as I understand – have had no mass shootings since.

            As I said t the beginning. The gods forbid any of yours are involved in the next shooting … and it is going to happen and you KNOW it will.

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          • Tricia says:

            Do your own research. It’s certainly not my problem that you comment on blogs on issues you clearly know nothing about.

            You keep bringing up issues that have been discussed and rebutted so I can only assume it’s a mental block for you. Good luck with that.

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        • Wally Fry says:

          Yeah, we know. Anybody who doesn’t agree with the great Stone Head god is a criminal. You say that pretty often.

          Here’s one that will torque you off for sure. Fascists like you are why I think we’ll keep that ole second amendment. Because your only hope since you and the whole lot are morons and have no case, is to enforce the thoughts you like by coercion and force.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Facist? Someone who thinks that preventing mass shootings by simply amending the second amendment regarding firearms is a facist ?
            Good grief!

            Do you actually realise people read the things you write, Wally?
            And do you have any idea whatsoever how utterly inane a comment such as yours sounds to any normal, rational individual?

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          • Wally Fry says:

            “Facist? Someone who thinks that preventing mass shootings by simply amending the second amendment regarding firearms is a facist ?
            Good grief!”

            Um there is a small issue with that comment. I never said that

            Liar

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Fascists like you are why I think we’ll keep that ole second amendment.

            Which means exactly that.
            I do not lie. I am not a Christian.

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          • ColorStorm says:

            Hey ark-
            For what it’s worth. If a man calls you a liar, so what. Your concern should be the fact that God calls you a liar.

            Don’t believe Christ is the express image of God? Uh, there is a lie. Don’t believe you are subject to the Creator? Uh, there is a lie.

            Once more, atheism is the purest lie in existence, and you do fine jog representing it. No wonder you can’t see straight about guns.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            And just what has any of that comment got to do with mass shootings?

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          • Tricia says:

            Lol Wally. All that cement in his head must be blocking some signals.

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          • Wally Fry says:

            I guess so Tricia. Sigh I give up

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          • ColorStorm says:

            Inane? This coming from a person who thinks there is no more value to human life than a ground hog.

            Unless of course you think a man is created in the image of God, and is of more value than many sparrows…………..

            Your inability to connect the dots of life is staggering.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            I am amazed you were even able to compose that comment.
            How has praying helped the current mass shooting Colorstorm?
            Are you expecting Yahweh to intervene any time soon?

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          • ColorStorm says:

            The fact that He does nothing speaks to the truth of His patience in the midst of world wide depravity, and universal atheism.

            You should actually be thankful that He does nothing. For when He cometh,, He will roar, and you will look for rocks to hide under.

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Lol Wally. All that cement in his head must be blocking some signals.

            Amazing … you ask for reasonable conversation and ideas for solutions to this problem and then you think it is funny to insult me after some asinine comment from Wally?
            Well done…

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          • Tricia says:

            You should feel honored you’ve made my list of people it’s not worth being courteous too Ark. I

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          • Arkenaten says:

            And yet you seem you must talk to me all the same.

            Have you read what those on the other side of the fence think about you?

            Maybe you should get together with all your mates and pray? How do you think this will help?

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          • Wally Fry says:

            Poor baby Ark the meanie Christians have hurt hims feewins

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          • Arkenaten says:

            Come talk the next time there’s a mass shooting. Perhaps we can pray together Wally?

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    • ColorStorm says:

      Ark I agree with trish. in that you have trouble connecting the dots.

      The kid in FL showed signs of mental failure………….LONG BEFORE he crafted his carnage. If not a gun, a bus over a cliff, if not a bus, poison in the water, maybe killing thousands; you just do not get it.

      Guns are not culpable of hurting as much as a tse-tse fly. You see, for that, one needs a conscience. Last time I checked, a colt 45 could no more walk off a shelf than a chain saw.

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Of course you agree with Tish …

        I am fully aware the kid was off his rocker.
        I already pointed that out and acknowledged it.

        If he had no access to weapons he could not have carried out this shooting.

        Consider yourself part of the problem.

        The clock is ticking.
        How many kids next time?

        Let’s say 20, shall we?

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        • ColorStorm says:

          Would you be less repulsed if he hacked up ONE person with a machete? Or gouged out 35 eyes with a ballpoint pen?

          You have no case with believers in this area and on this post. Did you also miss the point about a deranged individual hijacking a Greyhound bus……..taking a hundred to certain death over a cliff?

          I swear you can not at any cost see the noose with which you hang yourself. But maybe your new campaign should be to ban all buses………….

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          • Arkenaten says:

            You are simply grasping at straws now Colorstorm and your arguments are making you look silly.
            A nutter is a nutter, that much I agree. But a nutter with a semi-automatic weapon spraying bullets into a classroom full of children is just a tad more difficult to deal with than if he/she had a machete.

            As I said in my previous comment, It is going to happen again unless something is done about your gun laws.

            And you can fire off all the stats you like, I am sorry to say, you are complicit by your non-action. Maybe worse, because you are tacitly approving of allowing anyone and his grandfather to own a semi automatic weapon – that can be converted to fully automatic I understand – as part of some misguided understanding of an individual’s right to bear arms!

            I always thought this was written into law so the general population could respond should your government turn tyrannical and attack its citizens?

            Even with your obscene gun laws you do realise that your government has drones and tanks just to name two methods it could employ should it so desire.

            And you think you would stand a chance against drones?

            ‘Til the next slaughter …. the clock is ticking.

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  16. Wally Fry says:

    What I find oddest, Tricia, is the constant demand from these atheists that Christian must do the right thing and rise up in support of gun control. I was even told by Steve, Sklyjd, that I we all must love guns more than God. Clearly they think this has to be a Christian position. Here is where it gets odd. I wrote a post on it, but all have declined to explain this quandary. Most are clear that one of their main beefs with Christians, is how “we try to force Christian morality on a secular society.” They scream separation of church and state constantly. Yet…all of the sudden we are all taken to task for…wait for it…NOT attempting to influence secular laws. Does anybody see a disconnect here?

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    • Tricia says:

      Bingo Wally! It’s a huge disconnect but they can’t see it because it would blow up the cartoon character demon narrative they’ve painted Christians as being.

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      • Wally Fry says:

        Yeah, one person came over to the post to offer a dissenting opinion, and that was just to get on my again for not carrying a sign and protesting guns. No comments on the question actually posed.

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        • Tricia says:

          One of the reasons why I started my blog Wally was not so much to change people’s minds on issues, but to get them to think about things in a different way. People demonize others for having political or religious views they find unacceptable, without understanding it or even knowing about the philosophy behind it. It’s a big problem in this country which social media has only poured gas on. Politicians love it too when we all fight like this but it’s horrible for the country.

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  17. Wally Fry says:

    I thought this was fascinating, and is just really a small representation of what is available to read. Seems some ought to spend some time marching, carrying signs and protesting in their own homes and not worry so much what the stupid Americans are doing.

    https://businesstech.co.za/news/government/91284/south-africa-is-the-second-worst-country-for-gun-deaths-in-the-world/

    Fascinating really. The seem to have enacted substantial licensing requirements but the government is too inept to actually make it happen. There’s apparently some serious racial undertones, too. Maybe SA hasn’t evolved quite as far as some Stone heads like to think?

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  18. Due to the fact that our Constitution cannot be changed frivolously, the 2nd Amendment is here to stay. Thank God.

    Some problems have no easy or perfect solution. This is one of them. To a law-breaker, a gun-free zone is simply a target-rich environment. And no gun control laws or gun confiscation fascism will keep a law-breaker from getting his/her hands on a gun. Even Australia only managed to remove 20-33% of guns from their owners. (http://thefederalist.com/2015/06/25/the-australia-gun-control-fallacy/)

    You mentioned privacy in relation to mental illness, Trish. I believe you’re referring to the changes to laws and judicial tendencies regarding the process required to detain a mentally ill person against his/her will (in the 70’s, was it?) that tipped the balance in the favor of the personal privacy of the potentially unstable person. Perhaps that is an aspect of this problem that should be re-examined. Getting mentally ill people into detainment and treatment seems like it would help reduce both the mass shooting problem and also a large part of the chronic homeless problem. There are some slippery-slope concerns here, though. Falsely accusing somebody of being crazy in order to get them institutionalized could be the next #MeToo fad for miffed boyfriends/girlfriends and scorned husbands/wives. There would have to be a robust appeal process. Which would, of course, give birth to a whole new industry of legal services (like personal injury lawyers). Yuk.

    Armed guards and metal detectors at school entrances are the most obvious measure that would be a strong deterrent. So what if it wouldn’t prevent ALL shootings (by distant snipers, for example) — it’s still a very good step. However, again this has some slippery-slope concerns, such as the need for liability protection from grief-provoked lawsuits by parents who would rather blame and sue the school district and its security force than blame the damn shooter or the shooter’s parents.

    You’re a trooper for posting about these topics that hurt our hearts and eat at the pits of our stomachs, Trish. Especially knowing that it will probably draw out a troll, as it has once again.

    – Jeff

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  19. Arkenaten says:

    Interesting. I read through your post again … twice actually, to ensure there was nothing I had missed and aside from taking note of ”Red Flags” you have not offered a single idea as to how curtail such gun violence.
    Not a single thing.
    If this was the first mass shooting one could possibly understand an element of shock and confusion and not wanting to rush around like headless chickens.
    But alas, it is the same vacuous nonsense and not a single practical suggestion offered at all.

    And then you call me a troll and up pops Wally who calls me a fascist for god’s sake because I have the temerity the effrontery to even suggest some measure of gun control.
    After Sandy Hook you lot seemed to decide that killing kids was acceptable. In reality, in that moment ,there really was nothing left to debate, was there?

    You deserve each other.
    .

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    • Tricia says:

      Funny, the entire premises of the post was to open up a discussion on solutions other than more stringent gun control because it’s been shown not to work. Yet you keep harping on more gun control as the solution which shows a disconnect in your thinking.

      The last paragraph touches on areas to begin where I specifically stated I don’t claim to have all the answers but that getting away from enacting more useless
      gun laws would be a good start. Everyone else seemed to grasp this but yet again the point flew right over your head. The comments section than goes about discussing ideas.

      Also people who demonize others who are skeptical of more gun regs as wanting to see dead children makes actually preventing more shootings more difficult. One could accuse you actually of wanting to see more dead children because you keep going this road. Why do wish to see more dead children Ark?

      Everyone else seemed to grasp this but yet again it flew right over head.

      You keep harping on better gun control

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      • Arkenaten says:

        Every mass shooting has resulted in this type of garbage where there is lots of prayers(sic), hand wringing and blame shifting.

        I just asked why selling semi-automatic weapons and the means to make them automatic is not made illegal and you do not even address this issue?

        Seriously, do you have a mental block when it comes to taking a stand against firearms?

        Now. Please answer: Can you think of a single reason why the US public actually needs to own any sort of semi or fully-automatic weapon of any kind?

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  20. Dennis says:

    Australia has more semi automatic sidearms purchased in the last two years then before the so called “buy back” confiscation program. One of the main reasons for this sharp increase in purchases is the rise of African Gangs committing horrific crimes against the white population. The police force of Melbourne said there are no African gangs in Melbourne but they haven’t been attacked yet. They are still political correct and one day will regret they’re stance of today.
    The gang called MS 13 is similar in the US but the President has recognized the threat and faces it head on unlike many mayors and governors of states where the gang operates.

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  21. We are a foolish society that loves to provide “factual” answers to addressing SYMPTOMS rather than addressing underlying CAUSES of problems. The causes of violent crime are not guns. They are a tool chosen to perpetrate violence. If the gun is taken away from violent people looking to kill, trucks, knives, I.E.D’s (improvised explosive devices), box cutters, chemical weapons, etc… will be substituted. Does anyone truly believe that altering gun legislation will somehow alter sick minds as well? Politics becomes an accepted source of distraction in these circumstances by creating a facade that one political party cares more about “human life” than another. Rather than focusing on CAUSES of aberrant mental behaviors and SOLUTIONS to address these disorders, we choose to focus on Republicans and Democrats and their positions on gun legislation.
    Here’s a question I rarely hear discussed?

    Are we enforcing the laws “on the legislative books” and implementing sentences holding violent criminals accountable, or are we plea bargaining sentences due to limited prison space. Why create laws if they aren’t CONSISTENTLY executed under appropriate circumstances. How could creating more laws provide a logical solution when we haven’t even tried enforcing the current rules and regulations. Would another house and senate bill prevent murderers from carrying out their heinous acts? Although I personally agree the vetting process for legal gun ownership should be comprehensive with proper background checks, this will NOT prevent high school shootings and terrorist acts.

    Gun control legislation satisfies a personal and political need. It proves “we care” by taking ACTION STEPS to change the current laws. It proves we won’t idly stand by and do nothing. This philosophical mentality makes us feel better about our moral selves in spite of the TRUTH that this approach falls dramatically short of its goals. We’re so focused on GUNS we lose sight of the BIG PICTURE. “What is missing from children and adults lives that causes them to CHOOSE mass killing over productive behavior that supports societal growth and qualitative progress”?

    We refuse to think in these terms for answers and solutions. If we were really willing to openly and honestly consider this dilemma, we would come to realize a physically and mentally healthier society threatens the success/wealth of our current existence.

    BIG INDUSTRY supports our needs, and we, theirs. A healthier society would dramatically reduce criminal behavior, illegal drug use, propaganda for suicide bombing, divisiveness, intolerance, profiling, racism, etc… This would impact the “need” for guns, (GUN INDUSTRY) the “need” for drugs (MEDICAL INDUSTRY and PHARMACEUTICAL INDUSTRY), the “need” for prisons (for profit PRISON INDUSTRY), the “need” for excessive regulations (GOVERNMENT INDUSTRY), etc…

    In my opinion, the emotions associated with this shooting will likely come to pass in time without any significant change addressing the TRUE underlying CAUSES for these atrocities. We have been trained to follow our “leaders” and will continue to do so while likely mumbling our discontent under our breath to ourselves. Our PASSIVITY is our greatest weakness promulgating a sickness in this world no drug, law or emotion will ever SOLVE. The real enemy is our own GREED and our own unwillingness to compromise this “addiction” in favor of creating better BALANCE and ORDER in this world.

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    • Tricia says:

      We indeed a foolish society Jonathan that cannot escape from focusing on symptoms at the expense of actually solving issues Thank you again for such a detail and well thought out comment. Another one that I again which I could coin,

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  22. Nan says:

    People for and against guns and/or gun control will continue to bicker and argue simply because they can. But when the bullet hits home and one or more of your loved ones dies because of a twisted mind (and an automatic rifle), trust me … the perspective will suddenly change.

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    • Tricia says:

      So true. If God forbid a bullet ever strikes down a loved one of someone who thinks more gun control is the solution, maybe they will finally wake up to the fact that the answer lies elsewhere.

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    • Of all the discourse to this post thus far, Nan.. you made the best point. As an addition to that… there does seem to be a momentum with this mass shooting and it’s very likely it is because of the students themselves making a difference.. not only in their speeches…. but with their cellphone video and audio showing it as it happened, with bodies on the floor. Technology has made this a new day.

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  23. madblog says:

    You’ve had quite a brouhaha here Tricia. You handled it like a champ.

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  24. Julie says:

    I don’t see why your post would cause your liberal friends’ heads to explode (referring to your comment on my post), what you wrote is calm, rational, respectful and even-handed. I completely agree with your last section, in fact, I believe this horrible habit we’ve fallen into of demonizing others is a big part of the problem. We’ve taken on a collective “Agree with me or deserve to die” (which is a fascist mindset). Fortunately, for most of us it is only a mindset, but for the mentally unstable among us it can be a mindset that leads to a tragedy.

    We have to break this habit. We have to stop playing into the hands of the hatemongers who delight in dividing us. I’d like to see us stop rallying against things and start rallying around our hurting brothers and sisters.

    Great post Tricia!

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    • Tricia says:

      Exactly Julie! I think this demonization of politics is really the story of the day and I don’t see it getting better. Look at any horrific time in history and you’ll see it begins with stripping the humanity away from a designated “lesser” group and labeling them as monsters. So much easier then for otherwise good people to do horrible things to such undesirables.

      “We have to break this habit. We have to stop playing into the hands of the hatemongers who delight in dividing us.” Yes and yes!

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  26. Tricia… I just completed an eight part posting on how I completely solve the gun problem, that covers much of this.
    http://www.findingpoliticalsanity.com/part-one-an-introduction-to-looking-the-other-way/

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  27. Bullright says:

    Just as much as I detest the standard gun control rhetoric, I detest it being foisted as a euphoric panacea. It’s not. But this “gun control” (whatever adjectives they use) would give people false security to rest on their laurels and let down their guards. Well, at least until they turned on the news to see another “tragic” shooting. And it is also a huge diversion from the real, central school security questions and policies.(and gov’t screw ups)The term scape goat is apropos for gun control.

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  28. Bill Sweeney says:

    Great post, Tricia.
    I don’t have much to add to this conversation, but I do wonder why people on the left are essentially blaming the NRA for this tragedy? It’s bizarre.
    This tragedy is clearly the fault of local law enforcement and the FBI not doing their jobs. And now we want to pass more laws for them not to enforce? The failures of law enforcement, again and again, should tell people that we need our own protection, in our homes, churches, businesses and especially our schools.

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    • Tricia says:

      Thanks Bill. The Left’s response is mind boggling to me too, but it’s very typical. My guess is that the truth cuts too close to their deepest fears, that our government is too large and cumbersome to protect its own people and that a cultural rot they helped to create manifests in lost boys like this shooting their classmates.

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