About That S***hole Comment…

  1. The comment rings true.  The term “third world country ” is used today to denote nations that are still developing and where poverty and corruption run rampant. It’s an understatement to say that the people residing in such countries lead vastly different lives than those in Western nations and that the respective cultures are opposite in many ways.  Many good people come from such s**thole places, but we need to be selective about who and how many we choose allow to live in America.

  2. It was not racist. Pointing out the obvious fact that there are some countries we would rather encourage people to immigrate from over others is smart policy and not something out of a KKK handbook. If the Left would drop the racist prism they view everything about Trump through, they would see this. Ironically they would actually be more effective too as this would allow them to debate the man on issues as opposed to just calling him names.

  3. He should not have said s**thole.” I realize that part of Trump’s appeal is his authenticity, but the man is President of the United States, where standards of decency apply. I don’t care what other politicians have said or done, the fact is our ever growing harsh and narcissistic culture is in vast need of leaders who can communicate civilly with one another. Demanding that our president speak with some sense of restraint is not a very high bar to meet.

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65 Responses to About That S***hole Comment…

  1. do you still hear me screaming at the monitor…LBJ, LBJ?????????

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    • Tricia says:

      Yes, I know, LBJ, Woodrow Wilson and host of other presidents used horrible language, but I don’t think this gives a free pass for another president to behave the same way. Donald Trump is our president today and we get to decide what type of behavior is acceptable. I posit that refraining from swearing in the wrong environment is an easily met minimal standard.

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      • I agree Tricia and I don’t like it as I don’t like his constant tweeting nor his constant “believe me, believe me” 24/7 — but I’m so tired of the press grasping hold of crap as though this latest whatever he’s done is both earth shattering and groundbreaking and that they themselves are so sanctimonious— we’ve elected a man who’s moral principles are not your or mine and I suppose we, as you say, got to figure out what to do about it or not do….,

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        • Tricia says:

          Oh the press is ridiculous isn’t it Julie? I’m tired of it too, but I realize that I’m not speaking out about Trump when I think he’s erred because I don’t want to add to the liberal pile on with everything and anything the man does. I think a lot of share this tendency and it’s harming his presidency because he never needs to improve. If there is one thing we know about Trump it’s that he cares what people think about him, at least his base. If more of them called him out when he does something ridiculous he would be a better president.

          I realize that not everyone thinks his s**thole statement was wrong, shoot just look at the comments here! 😉 I happen to think it was though and so felt it needed to be said.

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      • Hey and forgive all those typos in my response—I went in and purchased that grammarly thing—and sometimes it’s with me, sometimes, it’s not 🙂 and sometimes, I’m just too fast for it —–

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  2. KIA says:

    LBJ? The one who after pushing the civil rights act thru Congress in the 60s, when Rep president Eisenhower already did the same in the 50s but got zero credit, said “we’ll have those N**rs voting Democrat for a hundred years”?
    Don’t worry, progressive Democrats are never held to the same standard and will never be held accountable… Think #metoo and ask whether Bill Clinton has been vilified and destroyed by the Left and Democrats for his sexual abuse and rapes in the past.
    Progressive Dems are always going to get off the hook, and Republicans and conservatives will always be evil incarnate.

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    • Tricia says:

      You are right, Democrats are never held to the same standard as Republicans. Who cares?

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      • KIA says:

        People who vote and hold both sides equally responsible for their bs should care. Neither side of the binary system they’ve given us really represents us fully. It’s all a game. We are not truly free as a country. Haven’t been for a very long time.

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  3. Well said.

    President Obama happens to have used that same term in regards to the same countries. Crickets. In fact, he was actually praised for it.

    Second, in complex negotiations, meetings, there is an expectation of privacy, loyalty, trust. We don’t leak things like that, because there is an expectation of confidentiality, of informality. People outside these kinds of meetings don’t know the full context, they don’t what words are in response to what, they don’t know the heat of the moment. Where I come from if someone leaks stuff like this, they have violated trust, they are a leaker and we fire them. Their only purpose for being in a meeting is sabotage.

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    • Tricia says:

      It’s so true what you say about Obama, he got away with so much because the press rarely held him accountable. It’s like this with most Democratic presidents and it’s very frustrating for those of us who get our news outside of the mainstream liberal bubble. I still don’t think this affects the behavior we should expect from a president. In my view it makes a stronger case for better deceny.

      The leaking issue is big too and just as frustrating, but Donald Trump knows full well everything he says can and will make front page news. Sometimes he does this strategically and it’s done well, other times, as it I believe it to be here, his mouth just opens and stuff pops out that harms his cause. In this case making a good DACA deal much more difficult.

      You are right about leakers, they cause much damage but this a baked in feature of politics. Players need to predicate this and strategize against it.

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    • Citizen Tom says:

      The irony here is that Liberal Democrats expect Conservative Republicans to standards they don’t hold their own to, but they complain the most vociferously when we ignore their hypocrisy. That is a good time to smile and grin.

      Trump spoke at a private meeting. One of his opponents apparently leaked something he said and probably out of context. So as you said, whoever leaked did something far more unethical than what Trump supposedly said.

      Frankly, Democrats are playing the race card. That is their best argument against fixing our illegal immigration and chain migration problems. What they are doing is shameful.

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      • Tricia says:

        Agreed Tom, Democrats can always be counted on to play the race card and live by a different set of standards. I think our expectations for Trump should not be based on those same standards that’s all.

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      • When I heard about Trump’s alleged comment, I decided to check its accuracy. It turns out that nearly all African nations AND Haiti have non-existent water and sewage treatment facilities. Haiti’s streets often have a foot of trash and raw sewage in them after a heavy rain. I guess it was wrong of Trump to say so, but it appears his comment was accurate. FDR imprisoned Japanese-Americans by executive order, but refrained from calling Japan a shithole. He thus his status as a liberal icon.

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        • Tricia says:

          Haiti really does have some serious issues Don as you say. Thanks for coming by.

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        • Citizen Tom says:

          When people live crowded together in cities, and they cannot afford a sewage treatment, that is a miserable sort of poverty. Most people don’t realize it, but sewage treatment is one of the most significant developments of the modern era. Things like spacecraft, TV, computers and autos get all the glory, but the system we use to collect and treat our waste has far more day-to- significance than we realize. It is not just about the smell. It is about preventing the spread of disease and parasites.

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    • KIA says:

      Obama used Sh**hole to describe third world developing nations? When? I’d like to see the quote.

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  4. Very well said. Right on target. Particularly number 3.

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  5. And what did I just hear last evening?
    Was it a story about Obama’s admin. warning Iran over a key terrorist being targeted—basically giving the country linked to the “bad guy” a head’s up that a strike against said bad guy was imminent—-
    Now that sounds much more troubling than Trump’s latest brouhaha…
    but maybe that’s just me….

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  6. David says:

    Excellent Narrative!

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  7. Mike says:

    I’m not so sure he shouldn’t have said it. I’m beginning to think these types of episodes are purposeful Mayhem Management. It seems Trump does something to tweak the Socialists at least twice a week. If you rise above the fray you’ll notice the Useful Idiots are taken off point. They are constantly running from one “He’s Horrible, See!?” to the next, never being able to organize around a single talking point and incessantly repeating it as in the past. I have been reluctant to give Trump credit for such brilliant tactics and forethought but I find myself doubting my previous sh*thole assessments.

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  8. Wally Fry says:

    If Ya’ll would have gone with me on Darrell Castle, we would not have this problem.

    1. Yeah, some places do actually suck, and the language while crude, was probably accurate. Sounds like something I would say

    2. Even thought that comment in an of itself probably was not necessarily racist, I suspect our President probably is. Then again, we all are if we look closely at ourselves.

    3. Donald…zip your lip. I don’t care, the POTUS should at least pretend to have some decorum.

    Having said all that, his alternative would have been far worse. But we do have to be honest about his rather immense failures as a decent human being, and not practically deify the guy.

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    • Tricia says:

      Wally thank you for saying this. I’m not so sure about the man being racists, but even so he does some pretty dumb things that many on the right would be up in arms about if done by a Democratic president.

      I agree too we all hold some pre conceived notions about others that could be construed as racist, sexist, classist, whateverist.

      The alternative would indeed have been far worse but that doesn’t mean we keep quiet while the Donald cheapens the office of the presidency. Zip it yes, hooray Wally!

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    • Tricia says:

      I have to admit Wally I don’t even know who Darrell Castle is! Did he run?

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  9. Dennis says:

    I for one don’t think he said s***hole countries. I think the leaker, whomever it was, said what they thought and figured Trump would agree with them. I know I do. I have been to some of those s***hole countries and within 24 hours I’m ready to get back to the USA. And truth be known there are a lot of folks who know exactly which countries we speak of. Look south from San Diego and you’ll see one of them.
    Ever notice how Trump gets the press’ eye off the ball and has them carping about some stupid topic and then quietly gets whatever he wanted to do done and with no carping. Funny how that works every time.

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    • Tricia says:

      Well Dennis, you know I disagree as it’s pretty apparent to me that he did say it. Of course people agree with him, I do too, just not the way he said it.

      I’m just not seeing the grand strategizer so many see in Trump either. Sometimes the attention deflection of shock and awe works for him, but more often than not it makes pushing through much needed policy changes needlessly much harder. And it does nothing to win over people like myself who reluctantly support him and whose support he needs in 2020.

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  10. Al says:

    Hi Tricia. I started commenting on this two or three times, but couldn’t quite get my thoughts together. Anyway, here goes. Of course, I agree with one and two entirely. As for three, I don’t take any offense that this is not “Presidential.”

    It’s not like he got up in front of Congress or the press or a televised speech and said this. It was a private meeting and if anyone thinks that every President before him hasn’t used similar (or worse) language in private, I want whatever they’re smoking. Any man, myself included, who hasn’t used this language in a bar or locker room or fraternity house, etc. probably doesn’t exist. I suspect a vast majority of women would fall into this category as well. As you mentioned, it’s this earthy quality that is a big part of his appeal. I’d be disappointed if it changed.

    The difference here is that this “quality” has made many enemies on the left (as if they needed any reasons to hate conservatives/Republicans, it’s in their DNA.) As a result there are many Rinos in his political circle that want to discredit him and thus so many leaks and false narratives.

    I don’t know if any of this is part of his strategy or not, but I do believe he thrives on controversy. He didn’t get where he is by being a namby pamby who tows the party line to avoid any criticism. This unpredictability is why you see little “Rocket Man” softening his stance. And I can assure you he won’t bow to him if they ever meet. Long live sh*tholes like him who love their country!

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    • Tricia says:

      Ha, well I do agree Al that rough language is pretty common among both men and women, I could personally do a lot better in this area myself. My problem with Trump is that he continually underestimates or maybe just doesn’t understand the importance of optics. Yes, he says things many of us are thinking and it certainly can be refreshing, but as president of the United State he has a larger responsibility to take care of the words he uses and how they might be perceived by others, both in the country and around the world.

      I know we disagree on this Al, but hey that’s why we write these blogs, right? It’s nice to have civil discussions on issues like this. And I do appreciate you taking the time to clarify and write an intelligent comment.

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  11. David says:

    Interesting as you censor my truth as it is fine as long as you read what I say and think about it. I understand how you are programmed (we all are even myself I am sure still to some extent) and it is contradicting what you believe as you still have some belief that whites are racist and obviously some are, but very few. Blacks have been brainwashed to think they can be as racist as they want because they can’t be racist right? If you have no critical thinking skills and your brain is programmed this can be done. Let’s be real, Blacks are not very intelligent and are easily manipulated, this is just reality. This is the irrational behavior of anyone on the left and produces the mental derangement we see.
    Thus, my piece is 100% correct and the truth, but it doesn’t jive with your programming. Please just think and ponder as my logic is pure. The Orwellian inverted world is just like my Sarcasm.
    You don’t have to post my part, but you do need to realize you are censoring free speech when you do this just like the lefties. When free speech is dead our freedom is gone. The censorship of real news from the alternative media instead of the CIA propaganda from main stream media. Critical thinking skills are needed to figure out fact from fiction.
    Do this for a test. Ask a Democrat friend if they believe Russia colluded with Trump to win the election. They will say of course. Then ask them for one fact proving it is true. They will probably say that is for someone else to know. Or you can ask them for a fact on any issue and they will get agitated and never give an answer or turn the conversation in another direction. You will never actually get a fact from a democrat but they will always talk about the facts without having them.
    Obviously do not post this as this is for you but it relates to my last non post. You can punch me and knock me out, but I will still give you a hug. Love is the answer but the upside down world has a long way to go as hate rules everywhere. Everything is inverted.

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    • Tricia says:

      I’ve told you a thousand times why I censor you and yet you continually break the rules.

      If you notice, most of the commenters are in disagreement with my post but I didn’t censor them because I enjoy rationally discussing things with people who have different view points.

      You on the other hand have views that are completely at odds with reality, bring no value and cause people to veer way off topic if they jump in to a rabbit hole of discussion with you. I have no issues keeping them off my blog. Call it censorship if you like, I call it common sense.

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      • David says:

        This is completely Orwellian as everything is inverted. You post what I tell you not to post that had a personal message not intended for others to see and do not post a perfect response which is extremely rational with pure logic. I disagreed with the logic of a post so I attempted to correct. Sorry, you live in a Brave New World and I live in reality.

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  12. Al says:

    Well, you know me, Tricia, ever the pragmatist. Basically, long before Trump came on the scene, all these Presidents said all the politically correct things about other nations. Did it mean they like us? Negative, not from what I’ve seen from the UN over the years. Other countries “like us” for our money and little else. Otherwise they see us as either the great Satan or the ugly American. But I agree with the part about perceived courtesies toward other countries and I think Trump actually puts on the charm when he meets them face to face. Anyway, I always enjoy discussing these things amicably with you. I always seem to need a nap afterward though, because you make me think too hard! But you will always be my left coast hero!

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  13. Salvageable says:

    I agree with you on all three points. I also agree with Mike, who commented that President Trump says and tweets outrageous things (“Mayhem Management”) to stir up his opponents in the media and in politics over little things while he proceeds to keep his campaign promises on most major issues. They stumble around spouting nonsense about their outrage until most of us have stopped listening to them… which I think is all part of the President’s plan. J.

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  14. As a person who voted for President Trump I feel I have the right to pose the following:
    1. A president should be known for his leadership rather than his insecurities. A true confident leader shouldn’t feel the need to make certain the world is aware of his “genius” status. A true genius, however, is likely capable of learning from mistakes to avoid repeating them over and over.
    2. A president willing to modify campaign promises based on new information that achieves similar or better results is a wise president. A president that potentially lies and deceives the public is a president that will face confrontation rightfully so. “Believe me” is not a phrase I place my confidence in.
    (a) “Mexico will pay for the wall.” How, when, what is the formal strategy to attain their cooperation in this endeavor?
    (b) “I never used the word, S_ _ _ Head!” Not one republican present in the room has offered any statement other than, “I can’t recall his exact words.” Senator Durbin claimed the world was stated multiple times. Based on common sense (not politics) who is more likely right as well as being honest?
    (c) “I’ll release my tax return to the public when the audit is completed.” On May 4, 2017 a journalist with The Economist interviewed President Trump. When a question regarding the release of his tax returns was raised, part of the President’s response was, “I might release them after I’m out of office.”
    My President has repeatedly stated to the public, “believe me.” Although I truly believe his intentions are to pursue a large part of the agenda he campaigned on, his honesty (and therefore integrity) is legitimately in question .
    (d) When the President suggested the United States should seek immigrants from countries such as Norway instead of African and Latin American nations, I think he meant “merit based” immigrants; not racially based immigrants. Once again, however, a President who claims to be a genius consistently seems incapable of clearly expressing his intended messages.

    Some argue he’s not a politician. You don’t have to be a politician to clearly convey your message. Nearly every time he accomplishes an important task he successfully pivots away from the accomplishments (via Twitter) in favor of drawing attention to distractions that interfere with achieving his agenda. This is not the way a genius behaves.

    President Trump works hard and long hours. He has made successful strides altering previous policies and has done so in a reasonably short period of time. He has faced headwinds much of the way. A genius, however, should learn from his mistakes. Pride in “counter punching” is not what I need from my President. I want policy changes, an ability to unite our nation, an ability to build coalitions among other nations, an ability to safeguard our country through fear and respect simultaneously, an ability to close deals with (at least some) bipartisan support.

    My President has made his presidency (rather than my country) the center of attention. This is NOT what I voted for. I voted for (1) more jobs, (2) better health care policy, (3) tax reform, (4) security at home and abroad, etc…. I did not vote for (1) investigations into potentially illegal activities, (2) dishonesty, (3) evidence of gross insecurities, (4) poor communication skills (6) name calling of political opponents and world leaders.

    My genius President better begin learning from his “experiences” (since he doesn’t seem to admit to making any mistakes) in office. Integrity and honesty are two important character traits required to earn my vote. If I mistakenly assumed President Trump had these qualities, I won’t make the same mistake twice. Mr. President, “I want to see the tax returns you promised.” “I want to see your plan explaining how the Mexican government will be paying for a border wall.” “I want to see the “easy fix” to Obamacare you told me to BELIEVE you’d handle.”

    BELIEVE ME, Mr. President, if you continue to cause me to question your honesty and integrity over the next three years, I won’t even consider you a candidate at the next election.

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    • Tricia says:

      I wish I could coin your comment Jonathan and distribute it widely. The country needs to hear from more people like you that voted for Trump but are disappointed. Right now he lives in a vacuum where everyone tells him what a wonderful job he’s doing and that his Twitter eruptions and rudeness are winning strategies so of course he will never change.

      He’s done many things in office that have pleased me and many others. We can’t use that as an excuse though to not point out when he does something wrong. And by wrong I don’t mean just a swear word here or a late night Twitter dump there, but the accumulated pile of crap it all turns in to. It’s the continued actions of man whose ego is leading the way and while sometimes this does lead to refreshing change, it’s also degrading the office of the presidency and lowering expectations for what’s considered acceptable behavior by our leaders.

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    • Your ideal seems to fit Obama, in my opinion. l am thankful that the law only allows two terms for empty suits politically correct whose terms ended without even trying to live up to his campaign promises.

      I’ll take Trump’s temper tantrums and vulgar public remarks if thats what it takes to clean up the swamp.

      Nothing personal, just my choice.

      Regards and goodwill blogging.

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      • Trica, my above comment is directed to Dr.Jonathon, not you.

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      • Actually, I was very dissatisfied with President Obama’s performance. I voted for him the first time around, but did not want “more of the same” during his re-election.

        Do you really believe a “genius” would require to use vulgarity and temper tantrums to achieve results? I certainly understand a “learning curve” in becoming and acting as President. A world leader, however, needs to gain the respect (and fear) from the leaders from around the world. I believe a President can achieve this by navigating the course and LEARNING from his triumphs as well as his/her mistakes. Our President doesn’t acknowledge mistakes; a sign of great insecurity that intelligent leaders are clearly aware of.

        What I believe was accomplished in this election is a new understanding that non politicians may offer a viable position in government challenging the traditional 2 party system. Although President Trump ran as a republican, I do not truly believe he is bound to the republican platform. This is fine in my opinion. This election further “cracks the door open” to third party candidates offering potential superior understanding of government function and CHANGE while reducing the “you owe me” politics we have come to accept.

        By the way, I took your comment as a constructive criticism; a much needed form of respectable dialogue we all benefit from by seeing different perspectives.

        Thank you for participating in this dialogue. It is much appreciated.

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        • Frankly, I believe we are basically on the same page. I too voted for Obama first term and came to the same conclusion.
          As for Trump’s style, while I don’t like form, I do like his results.
          Old saying applies, no one’s perfect except my mom.
          Regards and goodwill blogging.

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  15. President Trump needs to work on his vocabulary. To be politically correct, he should have said Hell Hole. According to the Buddhists, that is the place where all deserving Democrat Crooked Politicians will be reborn in their second lives as a reward or punishment in there present life.

    In other words, those third world countries everyone is trying to get out we read in the news.
    Third world countries ruled by despots, ISIS, etc. etc.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=what+religion+believes+in+being+reborn+in+an+afterlife&rlz=1C1CHBF_enUS754US754&oq=what+religion+believes+in+being+reborn+in+an+afterlife&aqs=chrome..69i57.23940j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

    Personnally, I just wish politicians especially and everyone would think more about where they are going adn deserving when their time comes.

    And where they are leading our nation into going.

    Regards and goodwill blogging.

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  16. Marcus Ampe says:

    From certain people in a certain position the least one can expect is that their language is respectful and descent. The present president of America has not yet shown the other countries that his vocabulary belongs to higher educated people, something one could expect from somebody in his position.

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